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Hannah

I think it's brilliant that women are eager to become referees as a result! You're right, I think it's very revealing that attitudes like this exist behind the scenes and that it's not something which should be acceptable today. I read some quotes from other female referees in an article on the Guardian website where they were saying that they'd been on the receiving end of a lot of abuse for being female. It's obviously still a problem.

I try to respond to sexism in the best way I can but especially online, I don't like getting into arguments because people can be so vitriolic on the internet. IRL, however, I will always speak up against comments like that.

Jenny

Thanks Hannah - yes, I've found people to be very abusive in emails and so I tend not to engage if I feel they're spoiling for a fight!

Kathy

What has been revealing in this whole Gray/Keys incident is how more evidence seems to have appeared since the initial recording this weekend. Did the initial revelation help empower others to stand up and mention previous behaviour that bothered them, but they didn't mention? Did they not feel supported to make claims against them earlier? It seems possible. It appears now that there has been a clear pattern of behaviour from these guys, as shown by the recordings now being released.

I think I would also have struggled to confront a pattern of behaviour if I didn't feel empowered to make a legitimate claim of discrimination or harassment. Thankfully, I haven't had to face very much over discrimination, and have generally felt empowered by coworkers.

becky

For change to happen, it takes a few women willing to stand up and take the shots - and speaking from personal experience, it's incredibly painful especially because you're told to behave, not rock the boat, etc. But once these pioneers break through and proven to be capable, the climate often changes albeit very slowly at times.

jonbirch

the hilarious thing is that sian massey was right and they were wrong. not only had she called the decision correctly, but it had been a particularly tight call. so they look even more stupid now. i think it's also important that other less 'ladsy' men stand up for women when they see this sort of thing going on too. not everyone is able to withstand a bully, that's why bullying is so effective... so those who can, should.

did anyone see kate hopkins (alan sugar's right hand woman) on question time? i was quite shocked and surprised by what she had to say re. the sky sport scandal and the strength with which she said it. to me it felt like she was attacking women. she seems to only understand life in terms of ruthless competition. you can still catch it on iplayer. i wonder what others thought.

Jenny

I haven't seen it Jon but will try and catch it on iplayer.

jody

i am not sure how to respond to sexism - i'm in a particularly male dominated context at the minute and find that choosing my battles is more and more difficult.

the attitude of 'it's only a joke' is so insidious that to be offended at overt sexism is seen as being a rabid feminist with a chip on her shoulder.

recently i had the experience of carrying two teapots across our quad to wash them and a colleague walking in the opposite direction looked at me and then quipped 'nice jugs'. interestingly i didn't find that funny.........

i'd be interested to know how others would have responded to that.....?

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